1. It Is Not Marriage
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.
Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.
2. It Violates Natural Law
Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.
Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.
Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.
Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.
Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.
Civil laws are structuring principles of man’s life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.
Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.
This is false.
First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.
On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.
Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage.
7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.
Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage.
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.
In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants.
In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality.
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
In the 1960s, society was pressured to accept all kinds of immoral sexual relationships between men and women. Today we are seeing a new sexual revolution where society is being asked to accept sodomy and same-sex “marriage.”
If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior? Indeed, radical elements of certain “avant garde” subcultures are already advocating such aberrations.
The railroading of same-sex “marriage” on the American people makes increasingly clear what homosexual activist Paul Varnell wrote in the Chicago Free Press:
“The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people’s view of homosexuality.”
10. It Offends God
This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it.
Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)
The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).
Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)
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That is ridiculous. If you actually look into the passages that say homosexuality is a “sin”, you see that it is not. That God is not offended by it but created homosexuality. Because if God created EVERYTHING don’t you think he created homosexuality? Exactly. What annoys me most about most Christians is that they like to pick and choose what is a sin and what is okay. That’s not how it works. Every sin is just as equal as the next. One who murders a person is the exact equal to one who over eats. I bet most Christians don’t know that is a sin. So if you over eat or lie or have premarital sex or drink, it is a sin. And you cannot make excuses for it because it is said in the bible. However, people do those things anyway, and God still loves us because he sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins. So even if you do have premarital sex or lie or drink or are homosexual, it doesn’t matter because God still loves you and will always love you because that is what God is. He is loving. And saying that God is “offended” by homosexuality is a really stupid comment. The thing that God is probably the most offended by is that his own sons and daughters are offending something that he created. And that the Christians that call themselves Christians but are always judging this person and that person and shoving their beliefs down peoples throats, that is something for God to be offended by. Not homosexuality. You have to think about things in depth or researching them instead of repeating what you’ve been spoon fed.
By the way, I am a Christian.
God did not create homosexuality. He calls it an abomination. He specifically states, several times by the way, that man shall not lie with his own kind. Christ himself taught in Matthew that marriage was between one man and one woman. He is offended by sin, any sin. Calling yourself a “Christian” after that Satanic apologetic is also an offense to God. God tells us to stand apart from sin while you tell people that this is not sin. Please stop telling people that you are a Christian. Shame is what you bring to the cause of Christ, not love and acceptance. God does not accept sin. Had he, there would have been no need for Christ to have died on the cross and raised from the dead. You make his sacrifice of no effect.
Donn, You are not a Christian just because YOU say so, you are a Christian if Jesus says so, and He clearly outlines many reason why he does NOT call YOU a Christian, or a friend, or a Brother, He calls you an ABOMINATION! God did NOT create SIN, Satan created sin, when sin and death entered the human experience through Adam and EVE! Your theology is all wet! Have yo ever read a Bible, or just Bible Commentaries written by other homosexuals to support their sinful life style? Donn Jesus does NOT love us in our sinful life styles, He loves us if and when we confess and REPENT (turn 180 degrees in the opposite direction), HE loves even if we ACCIDENTALLY sin (which merely means we miss the mark, the mark being the perfection He modeled) if we don’t keep on sinning, i.e. make a lifestyle out of it, which is what homosexuals do! Homosexuality is a CHOICE not a creation, and the one thing that God promised above all was to never interfere with our free choice! WE choose to sin, God did not create sin! God commands us to judge the sin in each other, and the warning is to realize that we will be judged by the same standard by which we judge others; that is NOT a prohibition against judging the sin in others lives, and we properly do it mostly by being “fruit inspectors,” that is, judging the fruit in others’ lives, and that is not possible without judging their sins; and I realize that I am encouraging them to judge me the same way! Donn, I am afraid that YOU don’t evidence the fruit of a Believer, with your acceptance of sinful life styles and belief that a PERFECT GOD created sin! Go re-read your Bible and prayerfully rethink your position, Donn. I’ll pray that you do!
I stopped reading your comment after you hatefully and incorrectly claimed that God calls him(or anyone elsefor that matter) an abomination. God calls certain acts abominations. But never does he call a human being made in his image an abomination. Also, God says to speak the truth in love which is far from what you did.
Ok I can tell you right now that being homosexual is NOT a choice. I am a Christian. Jesus has spoken to me many times. Yet I am homosexual. I hate it and I don’t want to be this way. I prayed to the Lord to take the feelings I have for other girls away but he told me that he created me this way for a reason. He told me to embrace who I am no matter who puts me down and no matter who insults me. I cannot change who I am. I love girls and I am a girl. There is no changing it. Even the Lord refuses to help me change it. You may say I’m not a Christian but I am. I go to church every Sunday. I am baptized. I go to Bible studies every Wednesday. I do not choose to sin everyday. Everyone is sinful agree but God loves us anyways. God may not like our choices that we make but he still loves us no matter what.
You’re also an idiot. Old Testament AND New Testament BOTH condemn homosexuality.
Well if your truely a Christian, READ the whole Bible so you know what your talking about. You would profit from knowing the truth, Donn.
I agree to a point
. I have gay friends. And know God loves all of them. But he also knows that homosexuality is an unatural act and therefore abhorrent. But we are capable of repentance, until the day we die, we are not lost. Even after we die, the Lord knows there are those who have grown in life and didn’t know any better but we’re good people, so will be taught on the other side. Remember that it says in the scriptures that all eyes shall see , all ears shall hear the word of God. You ever wonder how? Because in the Greek term of heaven is prison. Even though it is beautiful beyond belief. It is a place to stay until you learn things. At your choice still.
Yes Donn it does say that homosexuality is an abomination which means God hates homosexuality. God did not create it the devil did. What annoys me the most is people who claim to be Christians but are really not. There are 3 sins that are worse that all others, 1) Blasphemy, 2) Murder & 3) Homosexuality. Of course God will always love us but he will not love nor accept us if we continue to sin. For 1 to be accepted into His kingdom they must be baptized in the Holy Spirit & accept God as their savior & ask that He take the sin away from you like the sin of homosexuality, & yes He can remove it from you. And we are not shoving any thing down anyone throat, true Blood Brought Christians like myself will tell you Gods truth but it’s up to you to accept it or not.
Tell me where the bible says that those three sins are worse than any other because I never read that. I did, however, read in (NIV) James 2:10 : “for whoever keeps the whole law and stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it”
I have like your comments you are right a homosexual can be a Christian.
I always thought coveting your neighbour’s ass came before bashing the gays…
I liked most of the things you had to say. I would love to talk with you. I have been debating religious believes for a few year for myself. Trying to decide what I truly believe. I still don’t know what i exactly believe about the bible for myself. I state this because a person’s relationship with god is between them and god not their church or society. Humans tend to surround themself with people that believe the same as them. I consider myself as Catholic what ever that means however I still have a strong attachment to my religion. I love the traditions. I agree with you a sin is a sin no one greater then the other. I am fat, I lie some (I tell my children there is a Santa clause, Easter bunny…..) I you know what with myself, how I choose not to have sex. The reason is because I learned that sex emotionally hurt my feeling. There are many more…….sins get the point. I will admit to my sin. The problem with people is that people don’t agree on what is a sin and they want to put degrees on the sins. However the bible does not it states that a sin is a sin. This is where you loses me in your debate. The bible does state that homosexuality is one of the sins. I am very fat I know that it is a sin full admit to it even understand why the airlines make me buy a second seat. I agree that people not just Christians what to change the bible to justify there need. I am not one of them. I accept the bible as it is. There is my problem I can poke so many holes in it that it make me crazy. Then the state of nature comes into play. Which emotions have to be actknowelged in the he state of nature this is where this article goes wrong it lacks all the state of nature. As for Christianity this article is missing god is to judge a person sin not the church nor society. I guess what I am saying is let put more attention on obesity and how we solve that problem. Let homosexual get married. Marriage looks hard not sure I could handle it. Oh, I had a son and not married, shot I really am a sinner. I try very hard not to Sin lol
I think you misunderstood the definition of ‘love’. Very often when people define ‘love’, they only see 1 Cor 13:4-5 selectively and taken out of context. 1 Cor 13:6 continues with “Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.”
If an act is considered as ‘evil’ in God’s eyes, you cannot say God loves the act as it contradict the biblical definition of ‘love’.
While love keeps no record of wrong, that is only if one sincerely repent and seek forgiveness. Have you not read Matt 7:21-23?
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Merely calling Jesus by name and not by heart will not be forgiven. I’m not saying it is salvation by deeds but if one calls Jesus as Lord but does not behave like He is Lord, that’s hypocritical. There is never submission to His Lordship if one does not repent.
You are right to say over-eating is a sin. All sins are sin regardless of what and homosexuality is viewed as a more serious ‘sin’ probably due to cultural context as well as it is not as acceptable as over-eating. Nevertheless, a sin is a sin. What is a ‘sin’ exactly?
‘Sin’ is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). What is the law? The entire law can be summed as ‘love’ (Galatians 5:14). What is love? A problem of many Christians is to only view love as one-sided of “God loves me so God will give in to me” as if Christians are the lords and God is the servant. Love is not self-seeking (1 Cor 13:5). Even though there are evidences that suggest homosexuality has a heavy genetic cause, if a person tries his/her best to act against it for the sake of God, even if he/she cannot triumph but for right attitude and heart, will he/she not be viewed favourably by God? No one can be sinless but the attitude is important. If one is self-seeking and refuse to turn to God, he/she is not loving others (including God) and as such has broken the law and has ‘sinned’. It does not matter whether the bible did say this or that is a sin. The Bible did not explicitly say gambling is a sin but it still is as it is self-seeking (greed) and can cause social problems (not considering for others). If the bible has to list all behaviour to classify what is ‘sin’ or not, you won’t have only 66 books. People will always find loopholes and argue “that’s not a sin as not stated” but understand that laws derive from certain principles which is ‘love’. The law is the explicit form of protecting those that are loved. It is an explicit act of love. Love is the implicit law.
Donn you’re wrong! God destroyed the city of Sodom and Gomorrah because men were sleeping with men he said said it was an abomination to him “God” he also says it’s an abomination for same sex marriage he said marriage is between man and woman! God didn’t create sin Satan did when he tempted Eve to eat from a tree that God told them not to eat because it was the tree of knowledge and after she disobeyed God and ate from that tree sin entered in and she gave the fruit “apple” to Adam and he disobeyed God too and ate and that’s when sin entered in to both of them. If they had been obedient to God We would be living in paradise on earth. Now we have a choice be obedient to God who gave his only begotten son Jesus Christ to be crucified for our sins he arose on the 3rd day and is alive forever more or serve Satan who is the Father of sin! I chose Jesus Christ as my Savior who do you choose Donn?
Homosexuality is a sin. Romans 1:24-27 + numerous Old Testament passages. Moreover, scripture teaches that some sins are worse than others. Mark 12:40; 1 John 5:16-17.
You people are an embarrassment to real Christians,You have done to Christianity what the tailban has done to the Muslim religion.You have twisted the bible to fit your sick anti-christ aganeda ,cuz lets face it GOD IS LOVE and you have made him into a spiteful god who hates everyone that dont have your twisted thinking processes .You people will be judged right along with the gays (and everyone else you hate).
God is also righteous. God is also just. God is also pure and without sin. God also said that homosexuality was wrong. So did Jesus. It seems that you are the one with hate. We Christians call telling someone that they are sinning and acting against God a loving warning of their impending doom. You would have them remain ignorant just so long as you don’t ruffle feathers. By doing this, you guarantee that remain in their sin and cannot come to God. Guess what happens when you refuse to repent from sin? Ask God. Maybe, if you really are a Christian, he will show you truth instead of what Satan wants you to believe about God.
Come on the bible contradicts it self on god. It state that god is a jealous god then state that he is perfect. You can be both.
It should have been can’t be both jealous and perfect.
Jamie I think you need to READ HISTORY! Islam Has and ALWAYS WILL BE About global Domination and a world wide Caliphate! There has been a 1400 year Annihilation of Christians, Catholics, Buddists Celtic Druids and many other Religions. Do NOT give me that BS the “Taliban” is using it for its own ends.
It may offend YOUR god, but my god has no problem with it. As a matter of fact my god likes it!
My question to you is who is your god and where did you learn about him?
Before the church can fight against same sex marriage, it must look within and clean up its act. By allowing and promoting divorce and remarriage, they allowed sin in the church. Same sex marriage has its roots in divorce and remarriage. John the Baptist lost his head over divorce and remarriage. When Jesus told the disciples that remarriage (while the first spouse is still living) is adultery, they were so shocked that they said it was better to never marry at all. I could go on and on listing the scriptures that state remarriage is adultery and that fornication (sex before marriage) was the only allowance for divorce. The majority of church members are in adultery and they must practice true repentance by forsaking those adulterous remarriages for adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
John the baptist did not lose his head over divorce and remarriage moron if ur gonna use the bible to support your thoughts please read it
@dgat: Perhaps you should do a little brushing up of your own. Herod wanted his brother’s wife. He divorced his wife so he could marry her. She divorced his brother so she could marry him. John the Baptist told them this was a sin. Her daughter danced for Herod and he enjoyed it so much he offered her anything she wanted. She asked her mom what to say and guess what that was? Yep. John the Baptist’s head.
(Matthew 14:1-12; Mark 6:14-29; Luke 9:7-9)
That being said, it’s all a bunch of BS! Two people who love each other and want to establish a legal life partnership with one another should be permitted to do so. If the church wants to recognize or not recognize should NOT be the government’s concern.
The government took marriage out of the hands of the church. Now the government decide if a man and woman can get married Marriage started in religion which at the time was also their government has well. This can go back to tribes all over the world. To written society. Government and religion are seprated one should not control the other. They both can have their opinions without being called a hater. The government need to recognize this and federally allow gay marriage. However the church, temple mosque…… should not be forced to go against there believes either. Respect is the key here. I respect both side.
Janet, divorce is NOT a sin! It is clear that the reason that God HATES divorce is because He is divorced and knows the pain it engenders! Isaiah 50:1; Jeremiah 3:6-8 Remarriage is also permissible in God’s eyes, with definite restrictions. I thank God that YOU will not be passing final judgment on sinners and believers with your mistaken belief and complete lack of grace!
The only time anyone can remarry if there is no living covenant spouse. They are widowed. And they can only marry someone who also has no living covenant spouse.
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That is exactly why the government should allow gay marriage because there should be no religious in put on state marriage. The church should only be concerned with their marriage ceremony. You can have both you just have to learn to respect life.
You are doing the same thing judging religions. Trying to make excuse for homosexuality. The fact is that homosexuals do not need to justify the way they were born. However you are right the bible has been translated over and over. Society has changed over the year for the better of society. I believe that life will all get easier. At one point the poor use to stand out side the church during mass now we can go inside. Lol change take time. This is not a sexual revolution, it about being able to walk with your loved one without consequence from society. Let stay focused on respect and equality. Not hate on either side it get use no where.
I see where it is not the Governments business on who or what wants to get married….. or wants a Domestic partnership. I see so much intolerance in the so called Christian world. Ellen came out and has her own show and it has a very large audience and she openly talks about her spouse and seems okay. I hear Hetro men all the time wanting to watch Women making love to women and that is okay as it is a turn on but to have men oh no that is not right…… If we just followed the golden rule and just do as the world is doing accept anyone that loves another into their world ……..then we will have a better tolerant world. You dont have to like them to accept them. and I have yet to see any Man written bible really condemn it . As they are man’s views not G-ds Norman Vincent Peale once wrote to me in a letter . G-d makes each one of us for what we are and G-d don’t make mistakes……
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
I have a question about this post that is bothering me. Are you saying that using birth control is a sin?
Brenda, where in the world did that question come from? I see NOTHING in the foregoing discussions that mention or even imply anything about birth control?
I cannot speak for Ms. Alexander, but I suspect she is referring to the following quote from the 6th point: “Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception.”
For Catholic it is a sin. So yes I would say it a sin.
This is about equal rights. There is no viable proof that 2 gay people cannot raise children properly.Alot adopt. How many of your”normal” marriages get divorced & the cheating is rampant.God doesn’t exist so who cares what that old book of evil BS says? How can a sane person believe this crap? People are born gay like it or not,so they can’t have rights in a “free” country. For you people that think it somehow just happened…..uh,been going on forever..they just had to hide from nitwits that would try to destroy their lives.
People, you are all forgetting one thing… Jesus was a homosexual!!!!
Why do you want to irritate?
10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed and ten rebuttals to same
1. It Is Not Marriage
That sounds like an opinion. Not a considered, learned, or supported one, but one that cherry picks debated scripture to support personal feelings and attitudes based on conjectures as fallacious as they are unsupported and as mean spirited as they are hateful.
2. It Violates Natural Law
No. It validates it. It is the expression of a biological imperative coded into hardwires of genetic existentiality, and it is every bit as valid as the imperative to eat or have ANY kind of sex between consenting adults.
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
No! Both And! Forgetting the uninformed, ignorant, abusive, and even toxic living conditions that too many children find in the associations of heterosexuals, studies of gay parents indicate that their “children,” (many times ones that heteros didn’t _want_) are more well adjusted than their hetero peers perhaps because they’re more driven to better parentage… perhaps because it’s so much easier to have their children taken away.
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
Forgetting for a moment that gay people come from these same straight people, what could be wrong about the acceptance of biological imperative alluded to above as wholly pragmatic, the end of baseless hatred and one-sided violence, and _any_ reduction to toxic bigotries only the province of religious tight-asses, the gay self-loathing, and mouth breathing nose bubblers… but I repeat myself.
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
No. It defines the very soul and spirit of a civil right. One has a RIGHT to avail themselves of the liberty to love whom they _will_, engage in a union of lawful activities between consenting adult persons, and have that union respected in a progressive state and society. Anything else is unconstitutional tyranny and pointed out by the supreme courts of many states.
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
A facile non-point… As pointed out above gay families can be superior in the aggregate, do everything a non-gay family does, and this is forgetting that a union is a union, is a union, and will _remain_ a union without regard to the inability to produce children (produce issue)… except for the ones abandoned by hetero parent as outlined above.
7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
What a steaming pile of presumptive zero sum argle-bargle. The purpose of a state is to be kept free of religious _proclivities_ because those _proclivities_ are based on a very suspect and untested faith, a faith that most are not comfortable sharing because that faith is not scientific, logical, likely, or sensibly supported. On the contrary it is many times hypocritical and entirely risible where it is patently authoritarian and unjustly unilateral. We need MORE marriage and less discrimination of same.
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
No… see, that is just so way out of line! That’s what _you_ do! You claim a moral high ground and demand to to be the state and society’s default arbiter. You DEMAND that it’s _your_ imprimatur that is impressed on society. Gays just want to exist without fear, social or physical. You’d have them deny their own existence as a matter of social course or _endure_ that fear. Gays impose nothing. You impose on their very existence!
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
You say that like it’s a _bad_ thing. It remains that contraceptives and real information regarding sexual matters would put a torpedo WELL below the waterline of overpopulation, unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted disease, and ABORTION. You are AGAINST contraception and the science of information. A reasonable person might conclude that you are FOR overpopulation, unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted disease, and ABORTION!
10. It Offends God
Not my God! My god celebrates the courage of the gay man or woman to BE the persons SHE MADE THEM TO BE! No… it’s not gays that are the problem here. It is the person thoughtlessly opposed and willing to inculcate diseased and unnatural social mores as right behavior sanctioned and sanctified… but without capacity to understand, aptitude to accept, ability to incorporate, and skill to recognize! The evil you perceive is your own reflection in a cracked mirror of your own revolting and ironically self-loathing narcissism. You should step off, away, and down. Posted.
finally, someone with intelligence…
So many false answers.
1. Words have meaning. That’s not an opinion. What word are you going to use for a male/female union then?
2. I don’t think you read the original point and considered it properly. Natural law refers to things being used for their intended purpose and there’s no way homosexuality can be reconciled with that.
3. You’re missing the point. The fact that some relationships break so that children are denied one parent is a tragedy not originally intended, but the point is that YOU are supporting the DELIBERATE tragedy. Entirely different.
4. No mention of the health risks of homosexuality. Your answer is null and void.
5. You are not examining your own argument, which would also validate other unions on your own definition that you would suddenly have to backtrack from. Therefore your definition is invalid.
6. It is facile to point out that society has no interest in a union that will always be sterile? Be serious.
7. What a bunch of incoherent mumbo-jumbo. Did you actually have a point?
8. Excuse me? There’s this thing called the internet. It proves that SSM supporters have the emotional tolerance of a three year old and won’t tolerate even the mildest level of dissent.
9. Former Abortion clinic workers give lie to your assertions, as well as the studies that prove – notwithstanding bogus reports – that abstinence works. Contraception makes matters worse, and the sexual revolution has cost society incalculably.
10. God did not may gay OR straight, just male and female, which are obviously compatible. You are just full of convicted
This is it read your own statement you are no different then the person that wrote this article. You don’t just defend gay marriage and/or homosexuality life style. You tear down the authors religious beliefs. Hear your own word your are exactly the same in many ways. You try to justify by tear down something that has been around for 1000’s of years religion and homosexuality. Neither one is write or wrong in their emotions. I am curious about how you learned about your got. Muslims, Christian, and Jew worship the same God. Then you have other religions that have nothing to do with. Our god or I should say the god in bible stories. I am very curious about your god. I respect all.
That is not the aurhor’s point at all. Homosexuals can not reproduce together. Yes men can take care of a child as well as a women. Same sex parents can raise child as well as a man and woman parent. Equality is for everyone. How I do not understand how a woman could give up their egg nor a man give up his sperm. My eggs are staying write where they are I love my baby I would not give them away to become people. We here about one man have 100’s children. This is crazy one day a brother and sister are going to reproduce which is not good for society. Just a thought.
1. Marriage is simply the bonding of two individuals in love with a contract. Originally it was created so the man could enslave the women to himself. It has changed since then, and it needs to be changed even further still. And science has already made a human being from the DNA of two men.
2. Once again, marriage was created so a man could enslave a women. It’s not rooted in human nature. As for it being moral or immoral? There is no such thing as absolute morality. Morality is relative and it seems to change with borders and with time. The Romans and the Greeks used to use men for sexual pleasure and women only for reproducing. In fact, some of this is still seen elsewhere today in parts of the Middle East.
3. Well when you really look at it, a man’s brain will re-wire itself to be more or less a motherly figure to compensate for there not being a mother. Jesus had 2 dads, and he turned out just fine. Also, in many cases, people who are adopted end up just as fine as people who stay with their biological parents. And once again, science has created a human baby from the DNA of 2 men.
4. That is indeed what we are trying to do. We are trying to change the relativity of morality with media and laws so that, just as it’s already happened in Europe, people see homosexuality as nothing to fear, hate, or find repulsing. In Europe in fact, you are encouraged to come out and people are usually happy when you do.
5. How is it morally wrong? If you’re going to use your Bible to justify what is right and wrong, then you better be prepared to force a women to marry her rapist. Whom a person is attracted to is dictated by natural factors such as genetics, anti-bodies in the women attacking the fetus before birth, and other social factors also will play a role. This said, gay people are indeed going through the same struggle black people went through in the 60’s and prior, as their difference from the majority of people is indeed normal. Also, no, homosexuality cannot be changed. They have tried to change gay people before and they almost always go back into the same behavior.
6. Once again, science can help gays create a family where the baby has 2 biological dads. It may not be the natural order of things, but then again, neither is society. Neither is many of the foods we eat. Neither is much of the clothing we wear. So science, like our society, tricks nature into letting us do whatever the hell we want.
7. This argument means old people and other sterile couples shouldn’t get married, either. Marriage is the union under contract between two people in love, nothing more. Some married couples can’t have kids, others won’t. To say that because gays cannot naturally have kids with each other is a means of keeping the two from being married is outrageous. Besides, once again, science makes such a thing possible.
8. Indeed, once again, we are trying to change morality. It’s happened in Europe, and slowly but surely, it’s gonna happen here. Deal with it. Also, the Constitution ensures the U.S. government doesn’t have an official religion. Well, secularism isn’t a religion, thus it’s acceptable for the U.S. government to accept that. And don’t even get me started on evidence that shows America wasn’t and isn’t a Christian nation.
9. The slippery slope argument is in no way a valid one. Two gay people aren’t hurting anybody. Bestiality is already legal with animals over 45 pounds in some states, pedophilia is an act where harm is brought to a child or an act where a child has no legal consent to do said activities, and incest would cause severe birth defects for a baby which is in its own way harming another human being. Homosexuality is but 2 consenting adults that aren’t harming anyone simply expressing their love by getting a contract binding the two.
10. Fuck God! Fuck Zeus! Fuck Thor! Fuck Allah! The Bible and other religious scriptures aren’t the Constitution, and the 1st amendment is there to keep it that way. If you believe homosexual marriage is wrong simply because your religious reasons says so, then here’s a simple answer. DON’T MARRY A GAY PERSON. It should be your personal responsibility to act the way you deem as moral or immoral. Such things aren’t to be legislated, otherwise you’re just an ASS HOLE to anyone just because they don’t think the way you do. I know I’m an asshole, but I don’t legislate my assholeness.
I got to the beginning of point 2 then realised the rest was not going to be remotely sensible. If you think marriage enslaves women, you are seriously twisted…
Oh, and if you want to effect politics, pay taxes.
Well that was a good laugh first thing in the morning. However lets discuss in order:
1. “It’s not Marriage”
Actually by definition is the joining of two things. You marry two sauces into a single container for example. From a legal standpoint with people a marriage has always been the joining of households as one before the law and can happen a variety of ways. While children can be an outcome of marriage traditionally it was never one of the main purposes. Companionship was always the first order of business in a marriage, however they were also used to cement relations between houses, end wars, stop feuds, as negotiation issues between governments, ect. The procreation of children was but one of many issues for marriage. In addition it should be noted that a marriage between individuals is also different than Holy Matrimony or a Holy Union. Though often the ceremonies coincide. A marriage being the legal Contract between individuals and the State, The Holy Union being a contract between the Individuals and God.. But one can happen with out the other.
2. “It Violates Natural Law”
Natural Law is actually a system of laws that is derived from nature and is considered to be universal. As such moral deductions of human behavior are tried to be derived from things that occur in nature. Basically the gist of it is that if it an action is part of nature then it can be considered normal, and thus be considered moral. Homosexuality and Homosexual relationships can be found and are documented in well over 3,000 animal species in nature. As such Homosexuality follows the Natural law as it is found in nature and thus is moral, by the logic and reasoning of natural law. As such a marriage between homosexuals can not be said to go against natural law.
3. “It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother”
Well on face this statement is actually false, and since we know that over 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce the same could be said of straight marriages.. As we know family units and make ups vary greatly. As such even single family households often have both Female and Male role models within there upbringing. The simple fact is that the biological Father or Mother of children in same sex households often has a great amount of contact with the child so as such the original statement holds no more true than it does for any heterosexual divorced couple. The simple fact is, however, that study after study has shown that it is more important for a child to have a stable, loving , nurturing environment, whatever its make up is, and is not dependent on having specifically a Father and a Mother. In fact most studies have shown that children that grow up in Same Sex Households tend to be more stable and well rounded individuals, with less problems of acting up, and less difficulty with education.
4. “It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle”
Well aside from the fact that Homosexuality is a biological fact and needs no outside validation, the simple fact is no it is neither endorses or refutes a particular lifestyle for the child. Since sexuality is determined by biology and not choice the child will grow into adult hood and have the “lifestyle” that they were meant to have. Of course as we have already pointed out since homosexuality does not in fact defy natural law and thus can not be considered immoral on that grounds the rest of this argument falls apart.
5. “It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right.”
This argument tries to play the same card and says that it goes against nature and since it goes against nature is immoral and thus can’t be a civil rights issues. As previously stated Homosexuality does not go against nature. It is commonly found in nature.
Many cultures throughout history have always recognized and even venerated homosexuals within there culture, while yes some other cultures have castigated them. Morality is subjective to the social Mores of a society and changes greatly upon many factors.
This argument also says that homosexual marriage is impossible because of an insurmountable biological impossibility. Well this of course is outright hokum. Homosexuals have been getting married and having holy unions way before the advent of Christianity. Even today we have ample evidence that homosexuals can and do marry. There is no biological issue that prevents the legal joining of one household with another under the eyes of the government. Yes, marriage is a civil rights issue . Under basic law every adult has the right to be treated fairly and equally under the law, no matter what their biology and genetics says. Therefore any consenting adult has a civil right to expect equal treatment under the law which includes the right to be able to marry.
Furthermore this argument tries to play the card that homosexuality is a choice and not an issue of genetics. Well aside from the ample evidence that it exists with in nature we also have the growing and mounting factual evidence that homosexuality is cause on a genetic level. For decades now we have known that sexuality is determined by the Xq28 Chromosome. And that more specifically as knowledge has progressed that homosexuality is usually determined by combination of hormonal issues that act on and activate gene linkage sequences at the 7q36, 8p12, and 10q26 points. It is also been determined that there is linage based heritage of the traits. And recently has been discovered that the trait has not dies out as the genes involved play a key role in hyper fertility in females when active. Every year as more factual data comes in that Homosexuality is definitely derived from genetics, critics dismiss the findings and continue by rote that there is no evidence of this and that it is just propaganda, despite all evidence to the contrary.
6. “It does not create a family, but a Naturally Sterile Union.”
Marriage has never been defined solely by whether a couple could procreate. If that was the case then woman past menopause could never get married, Woman that had hysterectomies could not get married. Males and Females that were naturally sterile could not get married. Ect. Ect.
Second as stated in the argument yes like many straight couples, homosexuals can have children through the use of fertility options.
Third, is if you are trying to ignore science in the arguments and call that unnatural procreation. Then you must also throw out normal scientific knowledge of biology on how children are created. If you believe in a higher power that is all powerful, then no, any union by a same sex couple is not by definition a Sterile Union. If by the grace and love of God he should so choose, he could grant a loving faithful family the blessing of a child without any scientific intervention. We already know this to be true, because for example in the Bible that a person was given birth and life from a man. The first book of Genesis clearly states that God created Eve from Adam. We also know that God allowed barren woman to give birth, and even produced a virgin birth. With God all things are possible. If you deny that a homosexual couple could have a natural birth, then all essence you are saying that God is not all powerful, and that all things are not possible under the glory of God. You are denying the basic divinity of God.
7. “It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage.”
This argument tries to say that the sate has a vested interest in marriages producing children, thus is the reason so many rights are grated to married couples. This of course is false.
First is the fact that the rights are granted not because of the sole purpose of stability of children, which on its face is ludicrous since the majority of rights have 0 to do with the raising of children, but rather are designed to ease issues within a family household without the need for strict government oversight or interference. Such for there to be no need for every family member to sign a document to see a loved one that is sick in the hospital, or to ease the transition and burden of those faced with the death of loved one, ect ect.
Second, we live in a world that is highly overpopulated. As such the state actually has a vested interest to lower population growth not increase it. The best needs of the State are met with a lower birth rate, that allows for greater resources to be shared between a fewer amount of individuals
8. “It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society”
It in no way Imposes Acceptance. As can be clearly seen from the actions and sentiments of people such as this that created the article about the 10 dangers of homosexual marriage. There obviously has been no acceptance forced on this individual, nor would there be by the hundreds of other ignorant individuals that continue to foster such archaic and harmful beliefs.
Churches would not be forced to perform or recognize Holy Unions within their Religious Spaces. Only Churches that accept it would perform Holy Unions.
As stated Holy Unions are different than Marriage. Yes, if a couple decides to have a legally recognized State Marriage by getting their marriage license then yes, bigots would not be allowed to stop them in the secular environment. That is all it prevents.
This argument also tries to assume and enforce a false acceptance that all Americans are Christian, and that all Christians believe the same. First is the fact that over 50% of all Christian’s and there respective Churches endorse and support same sex Unions many of which regularly perform same sex unions. So to try and say that all Christians are Unified on the subject is false. Second is the fact that not all Americans are Christian.
Marriage and Holy Unions predated the Christian Religion by thousands of years. many Religions have had Holy Unions (Including Christianity) that have included same sex couples. In America we have this thing called the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. As such any person is free to Worship as they choose. Not all people choose to worship under a system of bigotry and hate including the majority of Christians in this Country.
9. “It is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution”
This straw man argument as always tries to paint homosexuals as deviants, and links them as pedophiles in a hopes to demonize them and prejudice others.
Statistically speaking Children have and always will be more prone to be the victims of sexual abuse from straight men. The vast majority of sexual predators around the world identify as heterosexual males.
In no way does granting consenting loving adults of legal age their Constitutional rights to equality under the law in any way endorse, support, or condone the rape of children.
10. “It Offends God”
This of course has to be most laughable argument. But since it was written from a Christian Perspective we will address it from that religious standpoint.
Even if we accept the premise that the Bible was somehow written as is in English 2,000 plus years ago with no translation errors. And we ignore the fact that the word Homosexual did not even appear in the English translation of the Bible until 1946 AD. And we somehow reconcile the various current English translations so that there were no differences in what is said between them and accept that the Bible has prohibitions against homosexual behavior as the conservative element keeps reiterating, even though that is highly contested and debating in doctrinal circles among true religious scholars. Then we have to look at the following as well.
The Bible has well over 200 prohibitions against sexual activity most of which are punishable by death and are called abominations or something similar in the English Bibles.. Only 8 of those prohibitions have been loosely ascribed to issues of a homosexual nature. Of that 8 the majority deal specifically with issues of rape or idolatry, such as is the case with the mention of Genesis that they used, which if you study the bible the book of Ezekiel you find that the actual sins for which Sodom was destroyed was its pride, gluttony, sloth and unwillingness to help the poor . Zero of the prohibitions were spoke of by Jesus.
So when looked at in perspective it appears God was more than 25 times offended by heterosexual sex than he was by gay sex. But of course this fact is ignored regularly since it involves personal sins of the caster of stones, rather than a sin that the caster can say they never engaged in.
So in short nothing stated within this article even remotely has anything to do with actual harm to society. It basically tries to imply a forced perspective of morality based on a flawed interpretation of doctrine that ignores thousands of years of actual history, and completely ignores all scientific fact and data, all the while actually denying the grace, divinity and power of God.
i want to plaster this all over every church in the country (well, besides the ones that support holy unions). SO many people need to read this.
On point 2, if you honestly think the ‘animals do it too’ argument has any merit, you might start having a more serious think about other things animals do that you would not want to justify. That’s not what Natural Law means.
And do you really think that 3000 (which I know is an inflated number anyway) is impressive? Did you know there are at least 10000 species of birds alone? Wake up!
ALL of this is ASSUMING the bible is even true. that’s a pretty massive presumption to base all of this “fact” off of.
This may be the most ignorant post I’ve ever seen. As the adoptive parent of three children, I am deeply offended. Your assumption that children are better off with their “natural” parents is ludicrous and flat out wrong. Children are best served in a loving two parent family. Wether those two people created the child is irrelevant. The love, the nurturing, the getting up at three a.m. And holding them when they’re sick, the family movie nights, the endless help with homework, the driving to sports games and cheering them on….that is what’s important. Many natural parents are sadly lacking on all those counts. As a Christian I would expect if God saw a truly loving two parent family, he would smile upon them regardless the gender of the parents. I’m a heterosexual and a Christian and I am sick of people like the author of this article speaking for us. Get your own life together and stop worrying about everyone else. In other words, judge not!
This is the question I have for you judge not. How ever you state that natural parent can be bad. You are right. But adoptive parents can be bad aswell and homosexuals can also be bad parents
so the truth is that every type of parent can be good and bad. You made a very hurtful statement. I am both a natural parent and adoptive parent you are right blood has nothing to do with being a parent. Love is the key. We as a society have to start respecting one another. As a Catholic or should I say a person that has been taught theology. This doesn’t mean that I am a scholar of theology but I can hold my own. As Christians we have that darn bible to content with sin is in it. But acceptance is all so in it. We can decide that the bible is wrong and give it up but as Christians can we change to suit society needs. What do you think of a jealous god and a perfect god can he be both in logic? I personally do believe he can. Life is so confusing so many opinions to consider.
i would think you people would have moire important things to worry about. If it offends god why did he make people gay? You have no right to judge. i personally don’t care whether they get married or not,but if they do so what why is it your business? Why are you obsessed with gay people? there are people who don’t get enough to eat.People who are homeless. people who cant get the medical treatment they need and you are whining about gay people getting married. G
ive it a rest.
This is the dumbest shit I have ever viewed.
Your article is a sin against God and you will be punished for your very ignorant presumptions of His will.
You are right this article is a sin based of the bible because it state do not judge. However the bible does state that homosexuality is a sin as well ext….. you are now stating that god is going to punish for igornence now you are judging the same where does the intolerance stop? Hateful words get use nowhere.
Just for the recprd… christianity is not a real religion…. king henry… cant remember which one… altered many parts of the catholic belief making it christian.. ie divorce. To all who believe in the church of england, you believe in 1 man changing the so called words of god to benefit himself, amd you believr that ISNT a sin? Im not religious and I think thats why im smarter than you.
Not being religious does not make some one smarter. Being religious does not make some one smarter. Understanding both side will make you more productive in what out come you want. For me it is respect. I don’t agree with a woman having to be covered but I respect her beliefs. I would never have an abortion but I believe in the right to choose. The key is respect others.
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So what if other people are homosexual. It doesn’t matter. It’s not your life and it isn’t affecting you at all in anyway so stay out of it!! It’s not your choice who others can and cannot date and its not your decision on what they are doing is wrong or right. Stay out of others relationships and stick to your own. Seriously people its none of your business.
You people are an embarrassment to humanity. I hope when you’re all old and no one cares about you anymore and you have nobody to look after you you look back and reflect on how utterly awful all of you are, as people.
Gay marriage is legal in many countries across the world. None of them have blown up. The world hasn’t ended because gay marriage is legal. Gay marriage is legal in 18 states in the US and none of those states have blown up either.
Shouldn’t Christianity be about love and acceptance and not bigotry and hatred?
Every single one of these reasons are absolute crap.
I’ve never seen so much hate on what is supposed to a Christian site. (You know, Christ was supposed to be all about the love… Love thy neighbor, anyone?)
OK. Here it goes.
#1) “It is not marriage. Calling something marriage does not make it marriage.” Could be true. Let’s say this: Love, commitment, and trust are all essential ingredients to a successful marriage. Why can’t gay couples have these? Of course they can.
#2) “It violates natural law.” Natural law? What is that, exactly? (Also quoting the bible as a source means you don’t have any authority outside of your religious beliefs. It is a big failure in logic and public law.)
#3) “It always denies a child a mother and a father.” So? There is plenty of proof out there that children of traditional marriages end up messed up and children of same-sex marriages end up completely normal. See also, divorce.
#4) “It validates and promotes the homosexual lifestyle.” True to the former and WTF to the latter. One, it is OK to be gay. Two, nobody chooses to be gay–no need for promotion.
#5) “Turns a moral wrong into a civil right.” Here is the basic argument that people choose to be gay. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Any, morals are what we make them. I think it is moral to let two people who love each other share the rights and responsibilities that come with marriage no matter their preference. Rights include inheritance and being at a sick spouses bed. Responsibilities are that “until death stuff.” It can be really hard, you know?
#6) “It does not create a family but a naturally sterile union.” Face-palm. This is one of those arguments that ignores those that cannot procreate or who chose not to procreate. You know, because they don’t exist. Every married hetero-couple automatically has tons of rabbits. Er, sorry, I mean babies.
#7) “It defeats the states purpose of benefiting marriage.” Huh? I missed the logic of this one. I have studied politics, history, and law and this is new to me. The best line is gay marriage’s “primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature.” What? And straight married people are not also personal gratified? “You make me happy–marry me!” is not universal?
#8) “It imposes acceptance on all society.” Well, the end of slavery had to be imposed on people with biased ideas as well, but that does not make it wrong.
#9) “It is the cutting edge of the Sexual Revolution.” Which is bad, you know, because women should still be barefoot and in the kitchen, pregnant. Also, the slippery slope argument is a true fallacy. Ignore it.
#10) “It offends God.” No, let me rephrase that for the sake of clarity: What the writer means is “It offends my God.” Which is fine. Keep it in your house and your church, and we’ll all be much happier, right? Not on our very diverse and wonderful country.
(Getting off soapbox now.)